Socrates Tears Alcibiades from the Embrace of Sensual Pleasure

History of the Peloponnesian War

Thucydidesc. 411 BCE
Ancient GreeceHardHistoryAncient GreekEpic · 640 pages
Influence80th pct
Popularity29th pct

Read this if you…

  • want the first real history book (Herodotus winged it, though that was kind of the fun)
  • are a freak who likes the most boring stuff of all time

Skip this if you…

  • are a normal person
  • are willing to just google the history and don't care about the original writing

Why It Matters

Thucydides wrote the first rigorous work of history: no gods, no myths, just power, strategy, and the grim logic of war. His account of how Athens went from democracy to imperial overreach to disaster has been read by every serious strategist since. The Melian Dialogue ("the strong do what they can, the weak suffer what they must") is the most quoted passage in political realism.

The Groblé Take

Very different from Herodotus, way more scientific. The stuff about the plague was interesting and just his analysis of why and how factions war with each other

Connections

Where to go next

Built Onwhat came beforeWhat It Shapedwhat it set in motionHistory of the Pelo…The HistoriesThe IliadPlutarch's LivesLeviathan

  • The Histories by Herodotus. History of the Peloponnesian War built on it. - The history Thucydides is picking up — and arguing with - His narrative deliberately begins where Herodotus left off (Sestos, 479 BCE), then drives to 431; the *Histories* are the explicit precursor he continues - He kept the enterprise and threw out the method — read Herodotus first and Thucydides' colder, stricter approach reads as a direct rebuke
  • The Iliad by Homer. History of the Peloponnesian War built on it. - Thucydides starts not with his own war but with Homer's, using the *Iliad* as the raw material against which he forges a new, evidentiary method - He names Homer, doubts the 1,186-ship catalogue, and corrects the poet's exaggeration — and in doing so invents the historian's skepticism - Read the *Iliad* first and the opening "Archaeology" reads as what it is: history arguing its way out of epic
  • Plutarch's Lives by Plutarch. History of the Peloponnesian War shaped it. - When Plutarch reaches the Athenian generals, he doesn't compete with Thucydides — he defers to him - On Nicias, Plutarch says outright he won't "vainly rival Thucydides," and across the Greek *Lives* he cites the *History* by name as the authority - Thucydides supplies the hard chronicle of the war; Plutarch lifts his Pericles and Nicias straight off the page and turns them into character studies
  • Leviathan by Thomas Hobbes. History of the Peloponnesian War shaped it. - Hobbes loved this book enough to translate it himself — his English Thucydides (1629) came decades before *Leviathan* - The Melian Dialogue's cold verdict that the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must is the seed of Hobbes's state of nature - Thucydides taught Hobbes that men act from fear and self-interest, and that taught him why they need a sovereign
Gallery

Depicted in Art

Marble portrait head of a bearded, balding man with a broad forehead and three deep furrows, late Hellenistic Roman copy of a 4th-century BC Greek original.

Socrates pulls a reluctant Alcibiades from a couch in Aspasia's salon; a greyhound and retinue of women look on.

Jean-Léon Gérôme, 1861

Socrates physically drags a half-clothed Alcibiades away from a reclining woman in an opulent interior.

Jean-Baptiste Regnault, 1791

Socrates straddles the fallen Alcibiades on a battlefield, sword raised to fend off attackers.

Pyotr Basin, 1828

Pericles addresses a crowd of mourning Athenians from a raised platform, gesturing over the war dead at the close of the first campaign season.

Philipp Foltz, 1852

Editions

Recommended Editions

#1Top Pick$50.00$46.60

Robert B. Strassler (editor), Richard Crawley (translator)

Free Press · 1996

The Landmark Thucydides. Strassler's maps, headers, and appendices turn a famously hard book into something you can actually navigate, and Crawley's 19th-century prose still reads as well as any translation on offer.

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Rex Warner

Penguin Classics · 1972

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Martin Hammond

Oxford University Press · 2009

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Deep Dive

What It's About

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Notable Quotes

The strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must.

The Athenians, Melian Dialogue

Right, as the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must.

The Athenians to the Melians, Melian Dialogue, Book V.89 · trans. Crawley