Socrates in a basket

The Clouds

Ancient GreeceModerateComedyAncient GreekShort · 50 pages
Influence66th pct
Popularity4th pct

Read this if you…

  • have read Plato, and want to see a comedian roast the hell out of socrates and friends
  • want to see the sentiment that may have led to the death of Socrates
  • like low-brow people making fun of elites

Skip this if you…

  • haven't read Plato/ don't know a lot about Socrates
  • are into intellectualism and don't want to be made fun of

Why It Matters

Aristophanes put Socrates on stage as a ridiculous figure, head in the clouds, teaching young men to argue their way out of paying debts. It is the earliest comic portrait of an intellectual, and it shaped how Athens saw Socrates enough that Plato felt he had to respond. It is also genuinely funny about the gap between philosophy and common sense.

The Groblé Take

After reading Plato, this is exactly what the doctor ordered. Finally someone shits on Socrates and parodies the whole “philosophy scene”. The arguments were spot on. Also makes sense that 20 years later, everyone wanted to kill Socrates. That scene seemed real annoying

Connections

Where to go next

What It Shapedwhat it set in motionThe CloudsApologyThe Symposium

  • Apology by Plato. The Clouds shaped it. - Aristophanes put Socrates on stage as a fraud — suspended in a basket, studying the heavens, teaching young men to argue wrong into right - That caricature stuck for a generation, and it's why the historical Socrates ended up on trial - *The Clouds* is the comedy that the *Apology* spends its opening pages trying to undo
  • The Symposium by Plato. The Clouds shaped it. - Aristophanes put Socrates in a basket, mocked as a sophist who "walks on air and studies things in the heavens" — slander Plato later blames *The Clouds* for by name in the *Apology* - Plato answered by seating Aristophanes at his banquet and handing him *The Symposium*'s most famous speech, the origin-of-love myth - The comic playwright who lampooned Socrates becomes a character in Socrates' own circle — a reply written across decades
Gallery

Depicted in Art

Strepsiades and Pheidippides stand below in conversation while Socrates hangs suspended in a wicker basket overhead, observing the heavens.

1564

Greek title page reading 'Aristophanous komodiai ennea' — the first printed edition of Aristophanes' nine comedies, with Peace listed among them, in Venetian Greek type.

Aldus Manutius (printer); Markos Mousouros (editor), 1498

Printer's ornament showing two seated men with flags in a rectangular cartouche, used as a chapter-head decoration in the 1715 English translation.

1715

Editions

Recommended Editions

#1Top Pick

Peter Meineck

Hackett Publishing · 2000

Meineck makes the think-ery scenes play like modern sketch comedy, which is the right register. His introduction on the gap between the real Socrates and Aristophanes's caricature is sharper than most scholarly essays on the same question.

#2

Jeffrey Henderson

Harvard University Press · 1998

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#3

Alan H. Sommerstein

Aris & Phillips · 2007

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Deep Dive

What It's About

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This summary gives away plot details.

Notable Quotes

Wrong will be right and right will be wrong if you learn to argue properly.

Unjust Argument (paraphrased)

Socrates: I walk on air and look down on the sun.

Socrates (in Aristophanes' satirical portrayal)

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